greekpineapple
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Post by greekpineapple on Jul 26, 2012 19:15:50 GMT 2
Hi guys! greekpineapple here asking about something that's troubled me for a while now: As I have said before, I am a "cradle" Orthodox Christian, and I've been attending church school all my life. Once I got into the high school class, however, I found the kids to be rowdy and disrespectful. Not only that, they were extremely apathetic to the teachings of Orthodoxy, even going as far as questioning and debating the teacher (when I knew the teacher was not incorrect). How do we get teenagers, who are so influenced by the secular world, interested in their faith? Because from my observation, traditional methods of teaching Sunday School are not working for this generation. Any suggestions would be helpful, because although I'm no longer in high school, I may end up teaching at my parish in the town I'm attending university in. Either that, or I will directly contact the director of youth ministries of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese.
Thanks for replying! ~greekpineapple
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Post by Vlad on Jul 26, 2012 22:40:53 GMT 2
I ask myself the exact same question... Here in Toronto, and probably, a good deal of the Western World, cradle Christians are rarely ever religious. I see it with the Catholic kids (I know tons of Catholic kids, but I can't think of one serious Catholic in my life), and I see it with Orthodox kids also. I know that we certainly should NOT change Orthodoxy to better suit teenagers. This is too visible in Protestant, and even Catholic circles. However, as for getting kids more interested in Orthodoxy, I do not have an answer
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Post by reachingfortheheavens on Jul 27, 2012 0:27:47 GMT 2
Teenagers want to rebel. Their faith can be a bold statement in their life. They have to stop thinking of it as something they are conforming to because their parents like it, and think about the fact that in a world full of people telling them what they should and should not care about, they are making a different and better choice. Studying the lives of the saints might not seem like a fun activity, but if presented in the right way, they can learn from those examples of Orthodox Christians who are strong, who stand up to governments and attackers and oppressors, and who endure persecution without complaint. That's real strength and real rebellion, and it's better than pretending to "rebel" by wanting what everyone else tells you you should want. The Orthodox Church isn't about being a good kid because your parents tell you to, and it shouldn't be associated with the often negative or weak image presented by other Christian groups that are criticized in popular culture. The Church has a rich and impressive history, and committing to it is a bold statement just as it was in the beginning, and always has been.
Just my thoughts. I have no experience working with teenagers, but I was one not too long ago, and I think you really need to appeal to what they want. They don't want Christianity to be "fun" or to change to suit the culture- they want to pursue things that have meaning to them.
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greekpineapple
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Post by greekpineapple on Jul 27, 2012 0:56:10 GMT 2
I truly appreciated your answers guys, especially reachingfortheheavens'. What I was thinking, as an impossible possibility, writing a story (though I don't have time and am really bad at writing). If book series' are good, they reach out to lots of teenagers, and they don't even have to be directly Christian. As most of you are familiar with, "The Chronicles of Narnia" were written by C. S. Lewis, a profound Christian, and children and teenagers alike enjoyed the stories without realizing the Christian undertones present. Would books be the way to speak to teens?
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Post by OrthodoxBrit on Jul 27, 2012 0:56:25 GMT 2
I don't know if anyone here has ever read the book 'Youth of the Apocalypse' or the 'Death to the World' Zine by the St Herman of Alaska brotherhood but it takes an interesting approach to this subject.
The premise of the book is that in this age of apathy and cheap fixes it is Orthodoxy that is the the rebellion, as it rejects the values of this world. I have found many amongst my friends (Mainly metalheads and Punks) who agree that they are getting tired of this mindset and I have found that a lot of young Orthodox feel that things such as Christian Metal do not allow them the values they seek.
The problem with many young Orthodox is the same as with many other young Christians, they are raised in an atmosphere of Christian values and wish to discover others. I come across this all the time in the School I work in. They want to be themselves and rebel against anything they see as preventing this. It is hard for anyone to cope with that (I am sure we have all been through that stage before) so they will oppose their environment to seek their 'own way.'
My view on how to avoid this is to teach that Orthodoxy is not a restraining force but a freeing one, which it is. Though Orthodoxy is seen as strict to many who come from another background it does not inhibit expression and I think this should be emphasised. They are effectively free to express themselves as long as they are respectful, and respect is something all youth crave.
As well as this, being educated in the faith is important. Many young Christians struggle with faith in their teens as they are told what to do but not why. I have found this also causes problems with new converts in my local community as they try to make sense of why we do things in Church and turn to sources outside of the Church to help them, leading to them expressing themselves in another way. If the Orthodox youth are taught why the Church believes things, and it is explained in a way they can understand, I feel that it will allow their faith to survive any niggling questions. Education in why we believe rather than just saying what to believe and a keen understanding of Orthodoxy as an experience, not a form of social constraint is key in my view.
(Sorry for the long post.)
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greekpineapple
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Post by greekpineapple on Jul 27, 2012 19:33:22 GMT 2
OrthodoxBrit, you have a great answer, and I believe one I was looking for. What we need to do is tell Church school teachers to explain reasons along with tradition. I believe I should bring this up with my father so he can tell this to the teachers, more specifically the middle and high school teachers... Also, I'm looking into communicating with the GOARCH director of youth ministries concerning books for young adults and teens. Last time I looked through an Orthodox catalog (the one my parents brought home from the Clergy Laity Conference), I was disappointed with the lack of books for teens. Teenagers don't want baby-ish books (like "Stacy and the Greek Wedding"), but they aren't going to read the "Life of St. Nectarios" either (believe me, I love St. Nectarios and visited his relics in Aegina, but I was not mature enough to handle the book when I tried reading it). In fact, I only found 2 books that would be well-received by teens: "Letters to St. Lydia" and "Father Arseny," both which I personally love. Do you guys believe I should address my father and the director, or not? I'm sorry I'm rambling on this subject, but it's something that has seriously peeved me in the past two years and I'm ready to literally fight against apathy and for Orthodoxy and tradition.
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Post by OrthodoxBrit on Jul 27, 2012 20:47:03 GMT 2
Do not apologise. It is something that needs to be addressed.
My better half always says how when she was younger she could not justify the reasons she did things in church when confronted by others, and found that many Orthodox in south India ended up going to the protestant churches for answers, which caused issues with family and their Children's views (Some even saw receiving communion in others as OK because noone had said otherwise.)
I would say you address your father and get his view as to whether you should address the GOARCH director, that way he will not feellike you are going over his head. If it has his blessing it would hold more weight.
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Post by evanglicancatholic on Jul 31, 2012 4:03:02 GMT 2
As a former youth pastor, I can say that programs and methodologies fall flat and do not promote the results we desire. They may fill buildings for a time, but the children will turn away.
1. We must first reach the parents, and more specifically, the fathers. The Roman Catholics have a group called the King's Men that sponsors Into the Wild retreats, teaching men to be the leader, protector and provider of their homes. These men meet week to week to pray for their families and to be accountable to one another. If you can reach the father with the Gospel you will reach the entire family.
2. Also, catechizing youths, not only systematically, but on-the-fly, as you go along life is important. Hire these teens in your places of employment. Pour your lives into them.
3. Develop a hunger and thirst for God's Word, like the man the pilgrim comes across in the Way of the Pilgrim, and allow that to permeate your life.
4. Finally, begin to ask the questions of ourselves and our local churches, "How does this activity promote the Gospel? Are we using our resources fully in order to make disciples of all nations?" As we see with the Occupy movement, kids need a transcendent purpose in life. There is no greater goal than the glory of God through a living faith working through love. There are many needs locally, regionally, nationally and globally that can be met. But the key is not to do these things for their own sake, but for the furtherance of the Gospel and for the greater glory of God.
God has gifted us who live in the free world with abundance and resources to give physical and spiritual aid to the billions in need. If we can reach the men like Jesus did, allow the Holy Spirit to create a hunger and thirst for righteousness and for God's Word, and then go out and make disciples like he commanded, the kids will follow.
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Post by josephofsambro on Aug 2, 2012 2:19:30 GMT 2
There's an interesting quotation I found a little while ago (from a non-Orthodox source):
"You are paving the way so to speak and because the head of the arrow creates heat as it moves through the air, so are you often catching heat from those not yet able to fully understand what you are doing, believing, or trying to tell them. Let this be of no concern. Your work is not to drag the world kicking and screaming into a new awareness. Your job is to simply do your work sacredly, secretly, and silently which will emanate light wherever you are and those with eyes to see and ears to hear, will respond"
One reason many teenagers in our increasingly secular society are abandoning Christianity is because they have been raised in communities that have been cut off from Holy Tradition. And of course, without the lens of Holy Tradition, churches and individuals are free to interpret the Scriptures in accordance with their own biases and their own egos- creating an idol. As well, this separation from Holy Tradition has caused Western Christianity to break from the mysticism that abides in the heart of the Church. Because our youth are not being nourished by this tradition, they are seeking this mysticism elsewhere, whether it be in New Age movements, Tantric Buddhism, or Hinduism, or yoga, etc.
All we need to do is simply to keep teaching the tenants of our faith to others: that through humility and the dissolution of egotistical passions through unconditional love, spiritual labours, and ceaseless prayers directed to our Lord Jesus Christ, we can reach a stage of enlightenment that will lead to theosis- our union with God and our souls' return to their natural state.
To the next generation, which is riddled with individualism, materialism, and egotism, our tradition is like a hidden treasure brought up slowly from the bottom of the sea. With increased awareness and education, youth will see that the Orthodoxy offers a spiritual liberation through the love of Christ that they will find nowhere else.
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Justina
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Post by Justina on Aug 5, 2012 12:43:45 GMT 2
This may not necessarily apply to you’re situation, but for me, it was very much a cultural thing. As a teenager brought up in a western country, you come to despise you’re cultural background. It’s unfortunate, but sometimes Orthodoxy can feel ethnocentric (perhaps this may only be a false perception at times). For me, my cultural identity was very much intertwined with my religion. I was a Coptic/Egyptian Orthodox. All the time you see teenagers reject their religion as an act of rebellion against their culture. You want to be considered a true blue Aussie, but it just doesn’t seem to be readily compatible with traditional, Eastern Orthodoxy. Not sure what specific advice I can give, but definitely try to separate Orthodoxy and culture? Also, like reachingfortheheavens mentioned, the Church really does have a rich and impressive history. Growing up in the Church, I was always taught the stories of the saints and watched quite graphic biographical movies (I don't know what my parents were thinking....), but I was still unimpressed with it all. In hindsight, I think the main issue was that it was all taught out of context. I didn’t truly grasp the significance of what the Church fathers/saints/martyrs did in their times. I think that historical context/perspective should be taught alongside the tradition. It’s hard to understand and appreciate certain events if you don’t understand the norms of the time. Good luck I admire your passion!
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Post by stvnjroberts on Aug 8, 2012 19:41:54 GMT 2
I'm a teenager (17) and I've been interested in Orthodoxy since I was around 132. The reason is because God gave me a lot of suffering in my life, to which I needed answers. Also, I'd always been raised with a firm conviction that Orthodoxy is the true faith from my mother who converted about five years before birth. In conjunction with the first two reasons, I also attended a protestant school where I had to defend my faith against reformed theology. My suggestion is that it must start with the parents 1. Live Orthodoxy with conviction. If you go about your days acting in a most un-Christian manner, your child will realize that Orthodoxy is not a way of life, just a Sunday social club. 2. Teach them about the faith. If your kids are young, read to them and tell them lives of the saints in addition to theology. If your kids are acquainted with the lives of the saints, they will know that men and women from all time have lived the Orthodox faith. Read to them especially the modern Fathers (St. Herman of Alaska, John of San Francisco.) 3. Have them do some sort of ministry within the Church. If they're a boy; the alter. If they're a girl; the choir (or another ministry available in the Church.) 4. If you're not in an English speaking parish (or the language of your land) I would highly suggest you try to find one that speaks English. The hymns of the Church tell us the Gospel. Not to mention, your kids will also see Church as an ethnic hang out instead of the Bride of Christ.
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greekpineapple
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Post by greekpineapple on Aug 9, 2012 16:43:57 GMT 2
Thanks for all your replies guys! I'm definitely going to use these answers to teach others and myself (you guys are really making me want to teach high school at the church in my University town . What stvnjroberts brought up about ethnic hangs is very interesting, and unfortunately true. Where I live in the Western US, we have (among the Greek churches) something called FDF, which is a Folk Dance and Choral Festival designed to really get kids interested in their heritage through dance and relatively healthy competition; also, it's a great way to meet other Orthodox kids (2000 Greeks in one convention center, Lord help us). A requirement to be able to compete in FDF is that you must be attending church school diligently before the competition. However, as soon as FDF ends, kids suddenly disappear. What I want to do is make kids stay for the rest of the year (Feb. on) and WANT to come back in the next year, and you guys have truly inspired me! Thank you and God bless!
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Post by timotheos on Jan 29, 2013 21:37:44 GMT 2
Getting teenagers (especially Western teenagers) interested in the Orthodoxy can be an interesting venture!
One thing that would be helpful would be making it clear to them that we are much different from how our media portrays Christianity. Organizing social activities is a great place to start- youth group, dances, retreats.... I'm trying to remember the programs that we had back when I was in the Catholic school system....
Maybe even organizing some sort of a trip- just to expand on the retreat idea. Perhaps somewhere out in the country where a change in landscape to couple a change in spiritual perspectives.
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