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Post by OrthodoxBrit on Jul 25, 2012 13:56:13 GMT 2
There appear to be a large percentage of converts, enquirers and catechumens on here so I thought it best to start a Testimonials thread.
How did you find Orthodoxy? What drew you to the Church?
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elionberger
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Post by elionberger on Jul 25, 2012 14:43:35 GMT 2
I came to Orthodoxy just a few months ago. Instead of re-telling the story I will paste an email here that I sent to one of the podcasters on Ancient Faith Radio. His podcast is called, Approaching the Wardrobe ancientfaith.com/podcasts/wardrobe . . . I paste this with some hesitation as it reveals some personal attributes but, it seems in the last week, God has wanted me to open up more to this on-line community. Here goes: I wanted to write you an email thanking you for your podcast. About two weeks ago, I was struggling with my faith. Long story short, I was praying, asking Jesus, "Are you really real?" I have struggled with alcohol for years, and I have lost faith in any sort of church. While praying I was searching the internet to see what Christians were saying as regards to Jesus and Alcohol. What I found was constant arguing, hateful comments directed towards others on forums, crazy websites, and a few websites that shed some light on the truth, but, ultimately, nothing that really helped me. Fed up, I stopped searching and prayed, "Are you really real?" Why all the fighting and arguing? I'm not sure when it exactly occurred, but I found Ancient Faith Radio. This was like a light house in the distance. I listened to the music for a while thinking that this must be some Catholic website. I've always been interested in the Catholic monastic tradition. Then, searching through the pod casts, I found one by Fr. Hopko about the history of the church which then made me realize that this was an Orthodox site. I didn't really know anything about the Orthodox church. Then, I saw your podcast. Your first one which you had put up the very night I was praying for some sort of direction. I listened to your first podcast and I felt something profound - unexplainable - the best I can say is that it was like finding that piece to a jigsaw puzzle yo u have been searching for forever, and when it fits perfectly in place, that feeling is what I'm talking about. Stepping back I find that the puzzle I started piecing together when I was a boy is coming closer to some sort of full picture. Immediately, after listening to your first pod cast, I searched out a pod cast series on the foundations of Orthodoxy - three days later, I visited the Orthodox church in Seoul (I live in S. Korea). A week after that I attended the church again and pronounced to the Father and the English community that I wish to become a catechumen.
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Post by byzantiumbound on Jul 25, 2012 22:25:02 GMT 2
I'm not yet a convert (although I hope to be one day ) but I am an inquirer. How did you find Orthodoxy? I am a bit of a history nerd, especially when it concerns royalty. I discovered the Romanov family and read about their lives and the executions in Ekaterinburg and Alapaevsk. Saint Elizabeth the New Martyr's story struck me especially. Coming from Western Christianity, I couldn't fathom why anyone would want to die for the faith. You didn't hear of martyrs or the persecuted church in Sunday School; it was just too negative and violent for teachers to teach. If I found out anything about either, I found it out on my own, which is how I found Orthodoxy. What drew you to the Church? It's hard to put an answer for this one. Firstly, I guess I started seeing how the Scripture was fulfilled in the Church and its practices. I'd never seen anything like that in church; I'd seen so many holes that I'd thought about worshiping from my own home with TV preachers. Secondly, I can't argue with history. I studied a bit of the history and I wanted to experience the Church. I hope I answered your questions adequately.
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grimlok
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Post by grimlok on Jul 25, 2012 23:10:56 GMT 2
I too am not a convert, but have been seriously looking at Orthodoxy.
How did you find Orthodoxy? I first "found" Orthodoxy a few years back one Easter when I was visiting my brother in PA. He had a friend who had just recently converted and was invited to the Holy Pascha service. He asked if I wanted to go, and I said why not, even though I had no idea what Orthodoxy was. Needless to say at that time I had mixed feelings when I was in the service.. I thought it quite foreign, and strange. We went a couple more years to the Pascha and Good Friday services, and I've been kinda looking into Liturgical worship ever since. I even use an Orthodox Study Bible that my brother bought for my birthday a few years back when it first came out.
What drew you to the Church? It seems like things are pointing at the fact that it is the church started by Christ... I am tired of looking at the tree of denominations and everyone making up their own interpretations of scripture... One good example is the "Left Behind" theology of end times... I just never could take how one can take a sentence from this book of the bible, and a sentence on this book of the bible and come up with something like that. I am tired of the entertainment mentality in churches.. I checked out Episcopalian, but they are quickly running away from the scriptures into something pagan, I looked into Catholicism, but the whole idea of the Pope being God on earth just is strange to me.... Orthodoxy just seems like it fits, and is reasonable I guess...
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Post by reachingfortheheavens on Jul 26, 2012 0:10:35 GMT 2
I'm not a convert yet, still an inquirer, but here's my story:
Basically, I found Orthodoxy because of a friend. I was not looking for the Church, or any church at all, and I wasn't even sure that I wanted to get involved in "organized religion". I was in a period of spiritual searching, but I was also 99% sure that I was not interested in Christianity.
Anyway, as I was in the process of deciding to leave my previous religion, I first learned about the Orthodox Church from a professor who later became a good friend of mine. I really liked everything I heard about it, but the timing wasn't right I guess because I was not motivated to pursue it any further. A year or more later, after I was officially without religion but still searching for some way to connect with God, I had several conversation with the same person over a period of a few months, and finally decided to borrow a few of his books on Orthodoxy. Once I started reading, I was completely fascinated and continued to read more and more until eventually I knew that it felt right. I visited an Orthodox Church for the first time at Pascha this year, and that's probably the moment when I realized that this was a real thing and I could see myself being a part of it. As for what drew me to the Church, there were many factors, and several of them I wouldn't even know how to explain. The history was a big thing, and the continuity. I found the idea of the original Church very appealing, and even more than that, the idea that it wouldn't change, that there weren't 1000 "versions" of it. It felt like a very firm foundation on which to build one's life, and it answered a lot of the questions and issues I had had with Christianity before. However, that alone wouldn't have been enough to convince me of the truth of any of it. It was the beauty that really drew me in-- not necessarily the physical beauty, although there is plenty of that too, but rather the beauty of the ideas. In my reading, I kept thinking, "this is the most beautiful thing I've ever heard", and that feeling was so strong that I stopped worrying about the importance of knowing or understanding or proving. Also, in a more practical sense, I liked that Orthodoxy didn't focus on trying to "follow the rules", but it also emphasized the importance of trying to direct every aspect of one's life toward God-- a message that I felt other religions and denominations trying to get at but always falling short.
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Post by Vlad on Jul 26, 2012 1:50:12 GMT 2
My story may not seem very "miraculous" or special, but, here we go. How did you find Orthodoxy? I was baptized as an infant in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. My parents, who are not religious (Dad is atheist, mom is irreligious), did this out of cultural tradition, but also in the hope that it would help me in life. I was always aware that I was Orthodox, but I was not Orthodox in heart or practice. As a child, I loved churches, and I was amazed by their beauty. I also did pray occasionally, but, for material things. It was an innocent type of faith, but, again, I never asked myself questions about my faith in God. Occasionally, I would blame God and speak blasphemy against him towards the age of 10-11 whenever something wasn't going right in my life. After becoming Christian at 14, I did not devote myself to the Orthodox Church, but, out of ignorance I became a Protestant because I did not like the idea of faith and works (Just having faith is easier, right?). What drew you to the Church?After joining Tumblr, in the list of blogs that one could follow, I clicked the "Spirituality" tab, and saw simplyorthodox, which I thought was really interesting, so I decided to follow her blog. Eventually, I started having discussion with her, and then with other Orthodox Christians like Andrei and Daniel. At first, I didn't have the best of intentions, and I had the impulsive desire to turn everyone around my Protestant. It backfired. Orthodoxy has such a strong foundation, and there is such a strong spiritual realization in Orthodoxy that I simply did not feel in Protestantism. I was a theological Protestant, but I never really felt at home, or very comfortable listening to Gospel music between four white walls with a cup of tea, just to listen to an hour long sermon on something very simple. It wasn't my idea of spirituality, but I was under the impression that that was the biblical thing. Eventually, I decided to devote myself to study of the Orthodox Church and Early Christianity. It was a slow process... I started hanging up icons in my room after I was convinced that that was both biblically and traditionally correct, and started accepting Orthodox theological doctrines. Eventually, I was just sitting on the computer one day, wondering about my conversion, and I thought to myself "I believe this... This... And this... Wait. I'm already Orthodox " and it was at that point that I finally made the step to become an Eastern Orthodox Christian. I'm really happy with it now. This is the true church established 2000 years ago at Pentecost, and I do not regret my decision.
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Post by OrthodoxBrit on Jul 26, 2012 2:36:31 GMT 2
At first, I didn't have the best of intentions, and I had the impulsive desire to turn everyone around my Protestant. Vlad, I sill remember our discussions on Salvation and the Penitent Thief, they helped strengthen my faith a lot. How did you discover Orthodoxy?From my third year of university, whilst studying Theology and Christian History I started attending lessons on Byzantine History, which introduced me to the Church Fathers and Byzantine Orthodox Christianity, which had a natural appeal to me due to the historically rooted and intelligent image in comparison to the west. I took a long time to think about this, as I had been considering my faith for a long time but had never seen any redeeming features in Christianity before studying Orthodoxy and just felt drawn to the Church. So a few years later I decided to start attending the Russian Church in my City. After attending this twice, the Priest told me to consider other Parishes as I was the only non-Russian or Romanian there and he catered to their needs above all. It was from here that I started attending the local Coptic Church and ending up Baptised (I came from a non-Christian family) there, since then I have felt that I was called to that place from the start. What drew you to the Church?Unlike other Christian groups, and unlike many other world religion's Orthodox teaches wisdom, faith and discipline rather than teaching the postmodern concept of self-justification. It also accepts the past and embraces its tradition, whilst others would forget them, giving it a firm historical background, which appeals to me as something with an interest in Church history. To me, this makes the Orthodox Church the most understanding form of Christianity as it has kept the Apostolic tradition since its founding and kept to its roots through the storm, something we all wish we could do.
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Post by gonesimera on Jul 26, 2012 15:09:19 GMT 2
I shared my story with Simply orthodox a while ago, I shall repost here for you all to read. From Catholicism to Orthodoxy is a big change for me, I used to be a devout Catholic attending Mass at least 5 times a week. I did not go looking for anything new, I was happy as a Catholic, It just happened; the Holy Spirit was calling me to the Holy Orthodox Church. A couple of years ago I went to the Holy Trinity Cathedral in Piraeus just to look around, while I was there the service of vespers started so I stayed a little, it was very daunting at first, the old women were crossing themselves from the ground upwards what seemed like hundreds of times, it made no sense to me so I left. From that time onwards I had this nagging voice in my head saying go back. So six months later while I was in the city I went to Saint irine for vespers, this time I stayed until the end and I had enjoyed it, I felt the Joy that I had always felt at mass. I spoke to the priest there father Thomas the Deacon John acted as translator for us, I asked him many questions, he gave me the book The Orthodox Church, I finished reading it in 2 days. My eyes had become opened and my heart was searching, I had become aware for the first time that something was missing in the Catholic Church and I had never realized it until that very moment. I started to read the Matins, the Divine Liturgy, Vespers and the Akathist hymns in English, and I noticed the pure liturgical beauty that was missing in the Mass, These services and liturgical ways had really been preserved in the Orthodox church that the West had lost a long time ago. I was at last free from the legalistic approach; I was able to let the Holy Spirit work inside of me without constraints. My heart was willing to be changed from the inside. The Orthodox way is Mystical in a certain way, it isn’t just about going to church, it is a way of life, it is about the Holy Spirit working in you and with you, and Just as it had done with the apostle’s and the church fathers. Well 2 years later I am a catechumen and will be received into the Orthodox Church in the very near future. You asked about my conversion story, I believe that there is no end to ones journey in Orthodoxy, even for those born into the faith, every day is a new day and a new experience in ones walk with God. Every day we grow in Christ, we grow in the church and we grow in faith, getting stronger each new day. You ask! Did I convert to Orthodoxy? My answer is NO, I did not. The Holy Spirit pulled and nudged me, Jesus Passion saved me and taught me how to love, and it was God the Blessed Holy Trinity that converted me. For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— Ephesians 2:8 (RSV)
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Post by JamesfromTA on Jul 27, 2012 16:22:43 GMT 2
How did you discover Orthodoxy?
By "accident" is the answer! I was an Anglican (Anglo-Catholic), attending mass every week but something was missing and I didn't feel like I quite fitted in. Came across a testimony on line of an Orthodox convert by accident and started to read more about it. Thought I would go an investigate its claims and the rest is history.
What drew you to the Church?
The spirituality. The fact that they held similar positions on matters of faith that I did which was something I didn't have in the Anglican Communion. The fact that the Orthodox Church really can back up its claims to be the One Holy Catholics and Apostolic Church, that the Church maintains and defends the faith of the Apostles with vigour yet humility.
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Post by elizabethrose on Sept 10, 2012 13:15:18 GMT 2
I'm not yet a convert (although I hope to be one day ) but I am an inquirer. How did you find Orthodoxy? I am a bit of a history nerd, especially when it concerns royalty. I discovered the Romanov family and read about their lives and the executions in Ekaterinburg and Alapaevsk. Saint Elizabeth the New Martyr's story struck me especially. Coming from Western Christianity, I couldn't fathom why anyone would want to die for the faith. You didn't hear of martyrs or the persecuted church in Sunday School; it was just too negative and violent for teachers to teach. If I found out anything about either, I found it out on my own, which is how I found Orthodoxy. What drew you to the Church? It's hard to put an answer for this one. Firstly, I guess I started seeing how the Scripture was fulfilled in the Church and its practices. I'd never seen anything like that in church; I'd seen so many holes that I'd thought about worshiping from my own home with TV preachers. Secondly, I can't argue with history. I studied a bit of the history and I wanted to experience the Church. I hope I answered your questions adequately. St. Elizabeth the New Martyr is my saint! ;D I will come back later to add my story.
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Post by immerlein on Jan 5, 2013 11:02:31 GMT 2
I'm not a convert yet, either, but God willing I will be soon! I actually found Orthodoxy primarily through you guys, on tumblr! So I owe you all an immense debt of gratitude. <3 The main thing that drew me to Orthodoxy is quite simply that I agree with the theology. I always had issues with the Pope, purgatory, indulgences, the Augustinian view of original sin, the idea of Mary as Co-redemptrix.. etc.
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Post by OrthodoxBrit on Jan 5, 2013 15:18:40 GMT 2
Haha. Nice to know we are doing some good. Please keep us in your prayers since we are lowly sinners trying to do what we can.
Have you read John Cassian's conferences? They are useful for the orthodox view on Augustinianism.
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Post by immerlein on Jan 6, 2013 5:42:07 GMT 2
From what I've seen, you're all very good people I'm glad to have met you. And no, I haven't >_<;
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Post by OrthodoxBrit on Jan 6, 2013 5:52:39 GMT 2
here is a link to it. I am not 100% sure about the accuracy of the translation since new Advent is a Catholic site and therefore may be translated for a pro-Augustine slant. Either way: here it is. www.newadvent.org/fathers/350813.htm
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Post by immerlein on Jan 6, 2013 7:34:59 GMT 2
Thank you very much!
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Post by athanasios on Jan 12, 2013 2:05:45 GMT 2
Hello everyone,
Here is my story. :-)
I first heard about Orthodoxy briefly in a Church History course at a Oneness Pentecostal church when I was around thirteen or so. The course taught only a few things about Orthodoxy. We learnt that they broke with Rome during the Great Schism, rejected the Papacy, didn’t accept the filioque, and weren't fond of statues. Being a curious person, who loves reading about various religions, I read a bit more about them on my own. I remember liking the Orthodox view that heaven and hell were just two different experiences of God's love. I adopted a modified version of that view into my Protestant worldview. Then I largely stopped thinking about Orthodoxy for years.
During my teenage years, I developed doubts about the Oneness Pentecostal religion that I was raised in. The two Church History courses that I took really impacted me. It was clear that much of Oneness Pentecostalism was relatively new. Whenever someone tried to prove that there were always a few Christians in every generation that believed similar doctrines as we did, I noticed some suspicious things:
(1) The groups were unrelated and often never had contact with each other. There was a lack of direct continuity in any tangible form. (2) The groups usually only believed a portion of what we believed. So, there may have been people that believed X, Y, and Z in 1600, but not at once. Group A would believe X, and Group B would believe Y and Z. (3) These groups often had other believes that were disturbingly heretical or even blasphemous.
Anyway, by sixteen or seventeen, I was convinced that Oneness Pentecostalism was not the religion of the Apostles. Part of me felt drawn to Catholicism and Orthodoxy, though mostly the latter. Nonetheless, coming from a religious Protestant family I didn't act on this feeling. Eventually my discontent with Oneness Pentecostalism, as well as other factors, led me to seriously consider leaving Christianity for another religion. If my parents hadn't fought to prevent me from doing so, I might have left Christianity. Their resistance prevented me from leaving right way, and that left me with time to think about my choice more. I thought a lot about religion in the next few months and decided that I should remain Christian, because even when I was going to apostatise I still could not convince myself to not believe in the resurrection of Christ. (I actually tried to reinterpret non-Christian religious texts to make them consistent with the resurrection of Christ!)
For the next couple years, I remained a Oneness Pentecostal, with varying degrees of fervour, though my doubts still remained. I eventually started looking into Orthodoxy and Catholicism again. I decided, finally, that I couldn't remain Oneness Pentecostal. I became convinced that the Orthodox Church is the continuation of the Church that Christ founded, and the one which the gates of hell cannot prevail against.
I was still a bit hesitant though, since I didn't want to make that big leap into the unknown. So, I decided to try Catholicism first, since it is closer to Protestantism, and went to a few inquirer's classes. Let's just say that those classes convinced me even more that Catholicism was not the true Church. I finally was out of excuses to delay becoming Orthodox. I looked-up the closest Orthodox churches near me, chose one, and then e-mailed the priest to inform him of my situation and that I was coming there to become Orthodox!
I showed-up at the church on the next Sunday. It was certainly a new experience to me, because I had never seen an Orthodox service before. I was in awe. Soon, I began catechism. As autumn rolled around, my priest told me that I would be baptised soon. I was thrilled. Unfortunately, my baptism kept getting postponed.
Finally, the date was set: January18. When I learnt what that date was on the liturgical calendar, I was thankful that God gave me such a confirmation. As a Oneness Pentecostal, I was taught that the doctrine of the Trinity is tritheism and I was strongly anti-Trinitarian. Also, the Christology that I learnt growing-up was wrong. Many critics accuse Oneness Pentecostals of having Nestorian-tendencies. Most Oneness Pentecostal scholars would object to this accusation and insist that they hold a Chalcedonian view of the incarnation. My Church History professor, however, was quit blunt in teaching us that our Christology is indeed Nestorian, and that we should be proud of that.
Imagine! Having been taught anti-Trinitarianism and Nestorianism in my past, it was a big sign to be baptised on January 18. Why? Because that is the Feast of Saints Athanasios the Great and Cyril of Alexandria! St. Athanasios, of course, is famous for defending the dogma of the Trinity. St. Cyril is the great champion of Orthodox Christology. To be baptised on their feast was a great sign of confirmation from God. I am also convinced that those two Saints had a hand in my conversion. I believe they were praying fervently that I would enter the True Church. (This story also explains why my baptismal name is Athanasios!)
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Post by simplyorthodox on Jan 12, 2013 20:21:12 GMT 2
It's a really interseting story Athanasios!
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Post by timotheos on Jan 29, 2013 19:45:19 GMT 2
I found the Orthodoxy through my love of Eastern European and Middle Eastern cultures. I was fortunate enough to visit Greece, where I was able to visit some gorgeous monasteries. Of course, it would take a few more years until my faith found a home in the Orthodox Church. I was baptized a Roman Catholic, my mother's religion. I was happy to be Catholic as I came to discover my religion as I grew older. By the time I turned 16, I had disagreements with some of the statements of the new Pope Benedict (though now, I love the man), which prompted me to explore atheist writers. I became atheist, and practiced Mahayana Buddhism to a small extent. After a few years, however, it became evident that most of the popular atheist writers had a superficial understanding of religious studies. My heart softened, and my mind opened, and I came to develop an appreciation for different religious traditions, with a particular soft spot for my beloved Buddhism. I then read an article about interactions between Buddhism and Christianity (this one, to be precise: www.urbandharma.org/bcdialog/bcd1/buchristdia.html), and I felt transformed after. I came to realize that there was nothing wrong with Christianity to begin with. I felt the Holy Spirit calling my soul home. Identifying first as an Anglo-Catholic, I came to discover the Orthodoxy (on tumblr, actually). After interacting with members of Tumblr's Orthodox community, I fell in love with the Church. It was through reading the wisdom of the elders of Mount Athos that I felt that I belonged within the Orthodoxy. So, I met a local priest at my university campus for tea one day, and we had a friendly discussion. He advised that I experience the Divine Liturgy and immerse myself within an Orthodox community, so I did just that! I still need to begin my catechesis, which has been delayed because I had to move to a different community for work, and there are no Orthodox churches around these parts. When I move back to my original community in a few months, I will continue my journey. Now, as for what drew me to the Orthodox church: the beautiful icons, the majesty of Byzantine chants, and the mystery and ancient mysticism of the Church. When I first became interested in the Orthodoxy, I thought "Well, the main populations of Orthodox people are found in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa- the same spots where Christ himself walked, and where the first Christians lived and died". As well, I thought "Why has western scholasticism been so quiet about Orthodox Christianity and the Byzantine Empire?". When I began to explore these topics, it was like finding a hidden passageway to a treasure room! Here, I found a rich spiritual path for the heart and mind. Rooted in apostolic succession, and marked by absorption in the divine mysteries and love towards all people (and animals, in many cases!). Eastern Christianity bore much more in common with the original Christian communities, and I could find no better place to call my spiritual home.
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